As a launcher for an ongoing project of interpreting medieval and renaissance era wrestling techniques we held a workshop last weekend in Joensuu with the local historical swordsmanship group run by Risto Rautiainen.
Given that Risto is a dedicated fan of all things related to wrestling – and a rather good wrestler himself as well – there couldn’t have been a better place for such a workshop.
The workshop was rather successful in my opinion, and while there is a lot of work to do before we have a working historical wrestling curriculum, I think this was a good start.
The basic themes for us were firstly to add practice of actual throws to the training, differing from the more casual takedown training in that both feet are taken off ground calling for a more challenging fall. The wrestling mats were necessary for such practice.
This is an interesting subject, and something that provides for a lot of material to practice. Most takedowns can be done also as throws, depending on the way the opponent moves in, the distance between the fighters and the size/strength difference as well. Throwing a resisting opponent takes determination and most of all speed in execution, but practicing them safely requires a lot of practice and trust from the training partners. A bad landing can cause severe injury, and executing the throw requires balance from the thrower. Balance both physically and mentally – if there is no ‘place’ for the throw it will fail or be dangerous, and physically if you lose your balance while throwing you place both yourself and your partner in great risk. Hence we practiced carefully and avoided any training injuries (despite yours truly demonstrating how not to land a few times – a testimony that neck bridging actually works).
We also looked into different modes of wrestling: friendly, competitive and limited in all sorts of ways. I always find it necessary to explain people how most of the actual training falls between drill and actual fighting or competitive wrestling (or other form of combat for that matter). With the right mindset and understanding of context progress is made easy. If one is always fighting they are also fighting against their own progress, if one is thinking too much they become tense and at the same time, if one is too loose or distracted they do not focus and do not learn and place themselves in risk of being injured.
I also stressed the need to keep oneself safe while practicing or fighting – this is one form of very realistic training, a surprising shift of balance during drill might require for quick reactions – not in countering your partners actions, but in making sure you yourself land safe regardless of what happens.
We also did some dagger training on Sunday following a revision to the throws practiced during Saturday. Below is a video from Saturday showing some of the exercises and demonstrations from Sunday. It is a shame we didn’t get Saturday on film, but at least we got this much.
The wrestling material was primarily drawn from Fiore (see a somewhat dated interpretation here), Codex Wallerstein (thanks to Cory Winslow getting me going with CW) and, of course, Master Ott (thanks to Jessica Finley for the clas on WMAW and to Christian Tobler for translating Ott’s teachings in the von Danzig manuscript).
The big question for us is whether or not we should approach this wrestling as something where all of this material can be combined, or whether there is reason to separate out various teachings. At this point, as long as we stay honest and aware of what sources are used, we can mix and match keeping in mind that there may at some point be reason to isolate certain sets of techniques from each other. Figuring out the context is difficult, as there clearly existed wrestling techniques for playful/competitive context and serious fighting as well. The basic skills are universal, but which techniques rely on groin shots or eye gouges in order to work, or more importantly, which rely on their lack of, is an important consideration.
In any case, Risto’s students did a good job surviving through the total of eight hours of relatively strenuous training, and Risto didn’t mind being thrown by me at least 200 times during the weekend. Without the sacrifice, the seminar wouldn’t have been possible! Also thanks to Matias from filming and driving the car, even though he was unable to participate much due to turning ill just before the trip.

Very cool. I’ve come to love grappling as I study it more. I find its influence on armed work to be fascinating as well.
As for it the various wrestling material should be taught as one or as separate beasts, I think it depends on the goal. All of them (taking each in its appropriate contexts) is useful for recreating a solid grappling system based on historical technique. After all, wrestling is wrestling – regardless of the time and place. However, if your goal is to understand more deeply the techniques and concepts that a particular master put to paper, then I believe those must form the core of your study and others only be brought in to flesh out the inevitable gaps (i.e. Frog DNA). I think that in wrestling, at least compared to armed aspects, you have a bit more leeway in what you choose (as long as context is kept in mind). After all, the human body can only bend so many ways.
Thanks for the comment Sparky!
I agree with you here, but for my own part, I don’t wish to be too hasty in giving myself more leeway. The reason is twofold. Firstly, with swords I have more experience and therefore it is easier too see the differences between various styles, as I get better I might start seeing the same in unarmed arts as well. And secondly, with wrestling we have a lot of knowledge and skill around us today, and therefore it is easier to start looking for learning in other people instead of the old books.
Nothing wrong with that per se, but it might distort the interpretation. With swords, we just don’t have that skill around us. Of course there are some who are doing a good job and are skilled individuals, but basically for people like you and me who already have a certain level of knowledge, we are forced to look into the sources often. When it comes to things like wrestling, it is very tempting to simply go with the people who already have the knowledge, but are unaware of our context.
Yours,
Ilkka
absolutely agreed. A modern greco-roman wrestler would likely see many similarities to their techniques in Fiore’s wrestling, but also as many differences because of context.
Another interesting point of comparison that Greg has had me look at is in some of the living Japanese traditions that still actively include armoured combat like Takenochi Ryu:
http://www.youtube.com/user/maxshinkendo#p/a/u/1/tQXtTxJ7_nA
Looking very good, Ilkka!
Thanks for the comment, Cory!